M4.2.5 Chapter 5
Harder ratio problems
Mei and Ana share beads in the ratio 2 : 3. Ana and Tariq share beads in the ratio 4 : 5. What is the ratio of all three?
Your guess
Pick one before you read on. It is fine to be wrong.
By the end you can
- Combine two ratios into one, like a : b : c
- Solve a ratio problem that changes when some are added
Mei and Ana share beads in the ratio 2 : 3. Ana and Tariq share beads in the ratio 4 : 5. Ana appears in both ratios. We want one ratio for all three.
Ana is 3 parts in the first ratio and 4 parts in the second. Those are different sizes of part, so we cannot join the numbers yet. First we make Ana the same in both.
Draw it first
Make the middle the same
1 Mei and Ana: 2 parts to 3 parts. Ana has 3 parts here.
2 Ana and Tariq: 4 parts to 5 parts. Ana has 4 parts here, a different size of part.
3 Cut each part into smaller equal pieces. Ana's bar keeps its length. Make Ana 12 pieces in both. Mei is then 8 pieces and Tariq is 15 pieces.
Multiplying both numbers of a ratio by the same number gives an equal ratio. 2 : 3 = 8 : 12 when you multiply by 4. Pick the numbers so Ana matches: the lowest common multiple of 3 and 4, which is 12.
Worked example
Mei : Ana is 2 : 3 and Ana : Tariq is 4 : 5. Find Mei : Ana : Tariq.
- Ana has 3 parts in the first ratio and 4 parts in the second.
- The lowest common multiple of 3 and 4 is 12. Make Ana 12 in both.
- First ratio, multiply by 4: 2 : 3 = 8 : 12.
- Second ratio, multiply by 3: 4 : 5 = 12 : 15.
- Ana is 12 in both, so Mei : Ana : Tariq = 8 : 12 : 15.
Answer: 8 : 12 : 15
With a : b : c you can share an amount. Add the parts to find how many equal shares there are. Then find one part, and multiply.
Worked example
Mei, Ana and Tariq have 70 beads together in the ratio 8 : 12 : 15. How many beads does each have?
- Add the parts: 8 + 12 + 15 = 35.
- One part is 70 ÷ 35 = 2 beads.
- Mei has 8 × 2 = 16, Ana has 12 × 2 = 24, and Tariq has 15 × 2 = 30.
- Check: 16 + 24 + 30 = 70.
Answer: 16, 24 and 30 beads
Now a different kind of problem. Some are added, and the ratio changes. One group stays the same size. That group gives you the key.
Worked example
Kofi has goats and sheep in the ratio 3 : 2. He gets 12 more sheep, and now goats : sheep is 3 : 5. How many of each did he have at the start?
- The goats did not change, so 3 parts of goats keep the same size.
- The sheep went from 2 parts to 5 parts. That is 5 − 2 = 3 more parts.
- The 3 more parts are 12 sheep, so one part is 12 ÷ 3 = 4.
- At the start: goats 3 × 4 = 12, and sheep 2 × 4 = 8.
- Check: after, 12 goats and 8 + 12 = 20 sheep, and 12 : 20 = 3 : 5.
Answer: 12 goats and 8 sheep
See it three ways
With things
Mei has 2 beads for every 3 of Ana's. Put 4 such sets together. Mei has 8 beads and Ana has 12.
As a picture
In symbols
2 : 3 = 8 : 12.
Try it
Check with stones
You need: 35 stones or beans.
- Lay out 8 stones for Mei, 12 for Ana and 15 for Tariq, in three rows.
- Group Mei's and Ana's stones in fours. Count the groups. Then group Ana's and Tariq's stones in threes, and count again.
What you will see: In fours, Mei has 2 groups and Ana has 3, so Mei : Ana is 2 : 3. In threes, Ana has 4 groups and Tariq has 5, so Ana : Tariq is 4 : 5.
A wrong idea many people have
Mei : Ana is 2 : 3 and Ana : Tariq is 4 : 5, so Mei : Ana : Tariq is 2 : 3 : 5.
Why it feels right: The names Mei, Ana and Tariq come in order, and so it looks as if the numbers can come in order too.
The test that breaks it: In 2 : 3 : 5, Ana : Tariq would be 3 : 5. The question says Ana : Tariq is 4 : 5. That does not match.
What is true: The shared person must have the same number in both ratios. Make Ana 12 in both first, then join.
A wrong idea many people have
Goats : sheep is 3 : 2. Adding 12 sheep makes it 3 : 14.
Why it feels right: The sheep number in the ratio is 2, and 12 sheep are added, so 2 + 12 looks right.
The test that breaks it: The 2 in the ratio is 2 parts, not 2 sheep. A part is not the same size as one sheep. You cannot add 12 sheep to 2 parts.
What is true: Find how big one part is first. Here one part is 4 sheep, so 12 sheep are 3 parts.
Key words
- lowest common multiple
- the smallest whole number above 0 that both numbers divide into. For 3 and 4 it is 12.
Back to your guess
The answer is C: Mei : Ana : Tariq is 8 : 12 : 15.
Ana has 3 parts in one ratio and 4 parts in the other, so the numbers cannot just be joined. Make Ana the same in both: 12. Then 2 : 3 becomes 8 : 12, and 4 : 5 becomes 12 : 15. So Mei : Ana : Tariq is 8 : 12 : 15.
Check yourself
Try each one before you look. A wrong answer tells you where to go next.
A : B is 3 : 4 and B : C is 2 : 5. What is A : B : C?
See the answer
3 : 4 : 10
B is 4 and 2. The lowest common multiple is 4. The first ratio stays 3 : 4. The second, multiplied by 2, is 4 : 10. So A : B : C is 3 : 4 : 10.
- If you chose A: You joined the numbers without matching B. B is 4 in the first ratio and 2 in the second, so they are not the same size of part. Go to M4.2.5.
- If you chose C: You doubled the first ratio but not the second. B is 8 in the first, and 2 in the second, which is not 8. Scale both ratios. Go to M4.2.5.
- If you chose D: You took A from the first ratio and B : C from the second. B is 4 in one and 2 in the other, so the parts are different sizes. Make B the same first. Go to M4.2.5.
A : B is 2 : 5 and B : C is 10 : 3. What is A : B : C?
See the answer
4 : 10 : 3
B is 5 and 10. The lowest common multiple is 10. The first ratio, multiplied by 2, is 4 : 10. The second ratio stays 10 : 3. So A : B : C is 4 : 10 : 3.
- If you chose A: You joined the numbers without matching B. B is 5 in the first ratio and 10 in the second. Go to M4.2.5.
- If you chose B: You took B from the second ratio but did not scale A with it. If B doubles from 5 to 10, A must double too. Go to M4.2.5.
- If you chose C: You doubled A but kept B at 5. Doubling the first ratio makes 4 : 10, so B must be 10. Go to M4.2.5.
Share 90 beads in the ratio 2 : 3 : 4. How many beads is the largest share?
See the answer
40
The parts add up to 2 + 3 + 4 = 9. One part is 90 ÷ 9 = 10. The largest share is 4 × 10 = 40.
- If you chose B: This is the middle share, 3 parts. The largest share is the 4 parts. Go to M3.4.3.
- If you chose C: This is the size of one part, 90 ÷ 9. The largest share is 4 of those parts. Go to M3.4.3.
- If you chose D: You divided 90 by 4, the largest number in the ratio. Divide by the total of the parts, 2 + 3 + 4 = 9, then take 4 of them. Go to M3.4.3.
Red and blue beads are in the ratio 2 : 3. After 10 more blue beads are added, the ratio is 2 : 5. How many red beads are there?
See the answer
10
The red beads did not change. Blue went from 3 parts to 5 parts, which is 2 more parts. So 2 parts are 10 beads, and one part is 5. Red is 2 parts, so 2 × 5 = 10.
- If you chose A: This is the size of one part. There are 2 parts of red, so red is 2 × 5. Go to M4.2.5.
- If you chose B: This is the number of blue beads at the start, 3 parts. The question asks for red. Go to M4.2.5.
- If you chose D: This is the number of blue beads at the end, 5 parts. The question asks for red. Go to M4.2.5.
The bars show A, B and C. What is the ratio A : B : C in its simplest form?
See the answer
2 : 3 : 5
The bars hold 4, 6 and 10 blocks. All three divide by 2, giving 2, 3 and 5. No bigger number divides all three, so 2 : 3 : 5 is simplest.
From an earlier chapter
After a 20% rise an amount is 180. What was it before? Type the number only.
See the answer
150
A rise of 20% is a multiplier of 1.2. Divide to go back: 180 ÷ 1.2 = 150.
Share 84 stones in the ratio 1 : 2 : 4. How many stones is the largest share?
See the answer
48
The parts add up to 1 + 2 + 4 = 7. One part is 84 ÷ 7 = 12. The largest share is 4 × 12 = 48.
A : B is 3 : 5 and B : C is 10 : 7. Write A : B : C. Type the three numbers.
See the answer
6 : 10 : 7
B is 5 and 10. The lowest common multiple is 10. The first ratio, multiplied by 2, is 6 : 10. The second stays 10 : 7. So A : B : C is 6 : 10 : 7.
Keep it
Copy this into your exercise book.
To join a : b and b : c, make b the same in both with the lowest common multiple. When some are added, find what stayed the same, then the size of one part.
Draw: Two pairs of bars with the shared bar cut into 12 equal pieces, and the joined bars 8 : 12 : 15 beneath.